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== I'm thinking of working on a more comprehensive and sortable Prayer Book guide. As part of this I'd write to all of the authors/publishers and ask for permission to post a select full prayer or two; if I got no response, if I'm able to get ahold of a copy, or network with others, I'd investigate how much of a book one can include under fair use for review purposes. So I'm wondering if people like this idea, and if so if there are any strong feelings regarding what prayer or prayer(s) to include. My initial thought is the prayer usually attributed to St. Macarius the Great that includes a hello line, depending on the translation, like ''"Be merciful to me, a sinner devoid of any good deeds."'' or ''"God, cleanse me a sinner, for I have never done anything ultimately good in Your sight."'' Thanks and thanks to the admins for my new page ==shiny account, -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 16:38, February 17, 2020 (UTC): Also, as this forum doesn't seem to be super-active, and I'd want to collaborate with people with prayer book collections who have no interest in getting an account here and then figuring out how to use than less-than-completly-intuitive old-style MediaWiki discussion format, I've created a deeply unofficial mailing list at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/orthodoxwiki - but if y'all want to (or want me to - I'm a SysAdmin) set up an actual official MailMan mailing list @orthodoxwiki.org, or something along these lines already exists, let me know. Note that it'll send you an email with a link you have to follow, so be sure to check your spam/trash if you don't get anything after a minute or two. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:17, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
So... My goal is == For Discussion: Could Early Modern English be added as a separate language to get to 4900 on unique articles before too long. I'd definitely eventually like to see the 4 flip to a 5... :) There's a lot of stuff out there that could be written about. Take care! [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 20:28, May 11, 2016 (UTC)wiki? ==
I'm trying to figure out the best way to include text in both [https: Sounds great//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Modern_English Early Modern English] and Contemporary English versions, and I've come to the conclusion that the cleanest way to do this may be to have Early Modern English as a separate language on the wiki, so all the MediaWiki functionality regarding translations could be utilized. I'm in no way wedded to this idea, and of course I need to convince the admins to do this. So, thoughts? -[[User:KatjuschaDclark|KatjuschaDclark]]! Please note this previous discussion on ([[OrthodoxWikiUser talk:Administrators#Eliminating_directory_articlesDclark|Eliminating_directory_articlestalk]] ) 17:25, March 7, 2020 (UTC):How much content do you think would be in Early Modern English? This is a small wiki: why would we separate it out into even smaller bits? - there is certainly room for overviews and histories[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 17:40, March 7, 2020 (UTC)Good Point; probably not worth it. My aim was just to preserve the information in the archaic English without having to look at it if you don't want to; but thinking about it I can just put a major problem with making a directory of parishes is that things link to the public domain source material, and if anyone really wants the old english the onus can get be on them to figure out of date very quickly. — how to do it nicely :-) -[[User:FrJohnDclark|<b>FrJohn</b>Dclark]] ([http[User talk://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new Dclark|talk]]) 18:29, March 10, 2020 (UTC)::Understood. :) As far as the Bulgarian diocese pageOh, I figured Ithink it'd just clean s worth having here, too. Just make a page like Name/Old English or include it up in the relevant source or something. We had a source document sister project for a bit since but itwas unsustainable. I don's been sitting there with some VERY old information t think anyone would complain about you porting over public domain Old English sources that are relevant to Orthodoxy. Please do! -[[User:Koavf|Justin (priests' nameskoavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 19:47, March 10, for example2020 (UTC) for a couple Oh nifty, do you remember the URL of years. As it was a priest in the diocese referenced who posted the info in the first place, sister project? I didn't necessarily want d love to just clear out the whole thingtake a look around with archive. Hope that reasoning makes some sense. org to see what people were thinking would be cool back then :-) -[[User:KatjuschaDclark|KatjuschaDclark]] ([[User talk:KatjuschaDclark|talk]]) 0120:3559, May 12March 10, 2016 2020 (UTC):Having a hard time finding it (just did 15 minutes poking around page histories and Internet Archive myself) but you can see the link on the Commons homepage:https:Certainly//commons.orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page the old "Osource:" prefix is long deleted. As I recall, it never hosted much and really, thanks! And againit could just be combined into the appropriate language edition with scans or recordings going to commons. If you are adventurous, you can probably find it yourself in the Trapeza archives somewhere. If you ''really'' need to find it, background / historical info is greatlet me know. — -[[User:FrJohnKoavf|<b>FrJohn<Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/b>Koavf|C]] ·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22:41, March 10, 2020 ([UTC)Sweet, that was enough to find https://web.archive.org/web/20081225074135/http://orthodoxwikiwww.orthodoxsource.org/index.php?title=User_talkMain_Page thanks! -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new Dclark|talk]]) 00:11, March 11, 2020 (UTC) == A note on something :Nice. Thanks for editing, D. Hope to see you around some. I'm not very active here but I do pop in from time to time and I noticed ==watch the Trapeza (obviously). Let me know if you need anything else. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 00:36, March 11, 2020 (UTC)
Fr. John, the updates look great, thank you for the hard work! :) I've noticed a couple of little hiccups, but it looks like most of them have been smoothed out (the captcha acting silly, for one). This isn't a big thing at all, but under "Special Pages", the "active users list" doesn't work anymore. It always shows no active users, and a note that it's a cached page that might be up == Anyone on / want to 101 days old. (This number gets bigger all the time.) I think somewhere this stat must still be working, because I think on the statistics page, it does show the actual number of active users, but when you click on that, it brings you to the page that shows none. Hope you are well! :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 13:05, May 19, 2016 (UTC)a Discord server? ==
No one's been on the [[OrthodoxWiki: Hmm... there is this bug reportChat|IRC]] channel any time I've been around, and I believe none of the other IRC channels re: https://phabricatorOrthodoxy I've found have been active either.wikimedia.org/T89027Although I love IRC from a political and technical POV, Discord seems to have supplanted it for most people. I also tried clearing caches'm currently on all 8 of the Orthodoxy-related Discord servers I've found, running the Special Pages update scriptchecking them out... didn't work''''Does anyone else use Discord? If so, what server / username?''''' (I'm Dclark). Since this is reflected Perhaps we could petition the admins on whatever server we all mutually use to make an #OrthodoxWiki channel on their Discord server for us. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[SpecialUser talk:RecentChangesDclark|RecentChangestalk]]) 16:57, I don't think it is criticalMarch 17, but I am glad you pointed it out.2020 (UTC)
== author creditsCall for new editors in this time of pandemic? ==
I was under How would people feel about doing a call for new editors on various Orthodox fora? My thought is that the impression that articles on this wiki (pandemic is giving some people a whole lot to do, but a lot of other than protected pages people a lot of hurry up and waiting to do. I know that are reprinted by permission) are not supposed the minor edits I've been doing recently have helped me feel like there is more purpose to my days, and have 'authorship' mentioned in been a welcome focus away from the news. On the articleother hand, I can see that, especially if worded poorly, such a call could seem callous and disrespectful. A couple months ago-[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 19:08, March 22, 2020 (UTC):I removed think that's valuable for society and for this wiki, in its own tiny way. Finding something like this useful to do is a good way to keep from the article going stir-crazy or feeling despondent. -[[Holy Trinity Church User:Koavf|Justin (San Francisco, Californiakoavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 22:05, but now the "author" has put the credit to himself March 22, 2020 (UTC):Hi! As far as author back inconversation and whatnot, things here have been pretty quiet for a LONG time. HeI's also given himself credit d be on more, but Coronavirus or not, I've not got a whole lot of time. If I'm here, I'm usually over at the article [[Annunciation Greek Orthodox Cathedral (San Francisco, California)Blogs]], but at least he references back to an article he wrote that was posted elsewhere page. I've been on OrthodoxWiki since 2005; a lot of the people who contributed a lot in the early days did so in the internetdays before full-time jobs and families and the like. Not being ;) It's always been a struggle to get new people who stick around - I'm not a sysop or anythingmod, I donbut it't want s great to get into an edit war have more activity here. ! [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 0203:0923, May 23April 2, 2016 2020 (UTC)
:The author trail is preserved in page history, and not typically in attribution on the page. I'm not too worried about == Could an admin add this, but, especially, if someone else substantially revises/addes CSS that gives icons to the articles, I have no problem with them remove the author attribution either. By submitting content to the wiki, they have agreed to license it according to [[OrthodoxWiki:Copyright|our copyright policy]].youtube and reddit links (like facebook)? ==
==St<poem>'''Could an admin add this to the appropriate place? https://orthodoxwiki.org/User:Dclark/common.css'''It gives icons to youtube and reddit links, like the facebook icons you can see at [[Livestreams]].Also you might want to add the <code>padding-right: 0px</code> to facebook and any other pre-existing instances of icons, as there is a bug where a big space is inserted after the link which looks ugly, e.g. in "[http://facebook.com/ here]. Ioann Listvinnik?==" there is no space in the wikitext between the link and the period, there is just an unfortunate 13px padding for some reason.Thanks! (Note: If you want to add icons to other links, the awesome font icons are all listed at https://astronautweb.co/snippet/font-awesome/)(Note 2: There is a bug in all of these icons, including the pre-existing facebook, where it puts an icon in the TOC if just the word is in the heading. Ideally the CSS for mine and the existing facebook icon should be edited so it doesn't do this, but this is beyond my CSS capabilities.)</poem>-[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:51, April 12, 2020 (UTC):Just thought I'd do a *gentle nudge* on this as I noticed the remote services page is now linked to from the front page. If no one wants to do this I'll do it, I believe someone just needs to give me access to https://orthodoxwiki.org/MediaWiki:Common.css --[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 13:09, April 26, 2022 (UTC)
I've been reading == just a bit note about historic churches in Alaska, and I saw mentioned that in Tigalda (Tigalda Island, perhaps), a church was consecrated in 1844, dedicated to St. Ioann Listvinnik. Anybody know if this is correct or that it might be in error? Thanks. :) [[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 01:13, June 6, 2016 (UTC)Canadian Orthodox History Wiki ==
QuestionI stumbled across this the other day - definitely not the same as OrthodoxWiki, but interesting nonetheless: https://orthodoxcanada.ca/Main_Page[[User:Katjuscha|Katjuscha]] ([[User talk:Katjuscha|talk]]) 03:02, November 20, 2022 (UTC)
When it comes == Aligning Templates to posting biographical informationRight/Left, should we have some sort of policy shying away from posting too much information about living people, especially Americans, due to identity theft issues? For people born between 1970-2011, and in particular from about 1987-2011, when you have some combination of family name, birthplace, and exact date of birth, it becomes easier to guess social security numbers, especially if someone was born in a state with a smaller population. I understand that much of this information is publicly available; I just would rather not have OrthodoxWiki be the "allowing text to-go" place for people looking to steal the identities of well-known Orthodox personalities. My general policy has been to not post exact dates of birth for people in this age range, being as that seems to be the least relevant item for OrthodoxWiki, and probably the most sensitive for identity theft, but then I see someone here who keeps putting that information back upwrap.==
*[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpHello, everyone! For those on the New Calendar --dyn/content/article/2009/07/06/AR2009070602955Christ is born! For those of us who aren't, we've still got a couple of weeks.html Washington Post article about guessing Social Security Numbers]*[https://www.ssa.gov/employer/randomization.html The new system of assigning Social Security Numbers] Social Security Administration official site
: Not sure about Right now I am trying to create/update the lives of the SSNs, but Prophets and I do think in general we should exercise some discretion in posting details about living people. Wikipedia practice can be have created a template for a guide here. Obviously, things like biographies series on their lives and general biographical sketches are finenot the Prophetical books themselves, especially when this information is not controversial as that has already been created and someone is a public figure alreadydone well. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 17:53, August 23, 2016 (UTC)
== August 6 I am having a problem with text not being able to wrap around the template no matter what tag I add to the template or articles themselves, leaving quite a gap between the body of text and November 8 ==the bottom of the page. I know this does not look good and I am hoping to fix that.
They represent the mid-season days, standing half-way between the solstice and the equinox. The same holds true for Saint Valentine's Day, which however is not celebrated liturgically Could anyone take a look at if there are any issues in the Eastmy Template:OTProphets to find where my error might be coming from? Or am I missing a tag that should be added during article editing? I primarily borrowed a suggested template from Wikipedia with some additions.
* Summer Solstice: Birth of Saint John the Baptist (June 24).* Mid-Summer: Transfiguration of Christ (August 6).* Autumn Equinox: Conception of Saint John the Baptist (September 23).* Mid-Autumn: Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel (November 8).* Winter Solstice: Christmas (December 25).* Mid-Winter: Saint ValentinePlease let me know if you's Day (February 14, West only).* Spring Equinox: Annunciation (March 25)re able to help me out here.
There is no particular Mid-Spring Feast (roughly around May 10), mostly because of the fact that such symbolism would have been swallowed up by the [[Great Feast]]s tied to the [[Pascha]]l cycle, such as [[Palm Sunday]], [[Easter]] [[Sunday]], [[Ascension]], and [[Pentecost]] (or Whit Sunday), depending on how early or how late they fall in the year. In the EastChrist, [[Candlemas]] seems to have swallowed up all the agricultural symbolism which would normally have been associated with a mid-February celebration (not that this does not happen to some extent in the West as well, see ''Groundhog Day''). I think that this information might be useful and interesting, but I have no idea ''where'' to add it exactly. — [[User:Luci83roIoannplyler|Luci83roIoannplyler]] ([[User talk:Luci83roIoannplyler|talk]]) 0206:5128, September 23, 2016 (UTC) ==Two questions=='''Please advise''' I like the category navigation at the bottom of the page which shows the entire category tree. Can someone tell me how this was set up for this wiki? Also, I would be interested in writing about [[Anabaptism]] and [[Quakerism]] and see how these [[Radical Christian]] branches would be viewed by the Orthodox and how these communities have interacted in the past. I understand the point of view on this site is Orthodox and the scope is mostly about Orthodoxy--would articles like this be welcome here? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 23:24December 30, October 2, 2016 2022 (UTC) :Hi JustinDone. I don't think there is any special plugin Thanks for the categories - this is just normal MediaWiki functionality. About the Anabaptists and Quakers, I think an article about specific history of relations, theological dialogues, etc. could be interesting. I don't think this is the place for an exhaustive treatment of AnabaptistQuaker theology - hope that makes sense. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 01:23, October 3, 2016 (UTC)::'''Theological discussions''' It does and that's consistent with what I thought was the case. I know that some Anabaptists traded letters with Eastern Christians during the Radical Reformation when they were being persecuted unto death by Catholics and Protestants. I'm not sure how many sources there are on this but I'd like to know. Furthermore, I'd be interested in seeing what some Orthodox perspectives would be on these groups. Thanks--I will try to get together the sources sometime to draft up an article. If anyone else has feedback, please let me knowyour work. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 0107:3904, October 3December 30, 2016 2022 (UTC) ::: I'd be interested to learn more about these dialogues — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk])::::'''Dialogues''' This is very non-academic but it's where I first heard about these exchanges: https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/3gmiay/how_do_catholic_and_orthodox_users_here_view_the/ and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1itf5x/to_nonprotestants_what_should_the_reformers_have/ and https://pay.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1tx8r2/how_do_eastern_orthodox_view_protestants/ and then did some Internet searches. It would be nice if I could get something more substantial. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 05:27, October 3, 2016 (UTC) :::One thing to keep in mind for OrthodoxWiki is that we aim to be encyclopedia like, meaning the focus is on the ''who, what, where, and when'' rather than personal interpretation. Following Wikipedia, we have called this the "[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view "neutral point of view"], although we also have an [[OrthodoxWiki:Style_Manual_(Point_of_View)|"Orthodox bias"]]. == ru.orthodoxwiki closure ==I decided to discuss the matter of the closure of the russian languge edition of the orthodoxwiki because of enduring lack of activity. Precisely, there is no activity at all. I have wrote to Main page talk about that, but recived no answers see [[:ru:Обсуждение:Заглавная страница]]. I want to note that for almost 12 years of existence of ru.orthodoxwiki.org I was the first who left a message at that talk page. The project is completely dead, and no reason to expect its revival. To make sure of this Thank you can take a look at the list of [https://ru.orthodoxwiki.org/Служебная:Новые_страницы most recently created articles]. At the same time, Easern Orthodox subjects are successfully developing in the Russian Wikipedia and the Free Orthodox Encyclopaedia "Drevo" (http://drevo-info.ru). A few existing ru.orthodoxwiki articles can be transferred to "Drevo". ~ [[User:Чръный человек|Чръный человек]] ([[User talk:Чръный человек|talk]]) 12:35, January 14, 2018 (UTC): As a point of order, I would propose that we keep the content and have a banner that says that the site can be reactivated with simple instructions on how it can be started up again (i.e. ask an admin here at the Trapeza). -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 19:57, January 14, 2018 (UTC):: There ! That is no reason to protect ru.orthodoxwiki from editing beacause no one else wanted to edit it. ~ [[User:Чръный человек|Чръный человек]] ([[User talk:Чръный человек|talk]]) 22:11, January 14, 2018 (UTC)::: Thanks for bringing this upso much nicer. I'm fine with deletion, as long as we can be assured that no significant contributions will be lost. There are 412 content pages listed at [[ru:Служебная:Статистика]]. I am fine with moving things back on tomorrow to [http://drevo-info.ru/ Drevo-info.ru] IF their license is compatible. (I did not find licensing information there.) Otherwise or additionally [https://ru.wikipedia.org ru.wikipedia.org]. You can see what we have done with Archived Localizations at [[OrthodoxWiki:Localization#Archived_Localizations]]. What do you recommend? — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 19:54, January 27, 2018 (UTC):::: About 10 years ago the articles from OrthodoxWiki were often translated into "Drevo" from english language. And then the rules become make some more stringent and it was not recommended additions to link to Wikipedia and Wikidedia-like projects. The Drevo use is's content for non-commercial purposes. In this way, the Drevo articles copied to Wikipedia violates the copyrights. ~ [[User:Чръный человек|Чръный человек]] ([[User talk:Чръный человек|talk]]) 11:26, January 29, 2018 (UTC):::: Of course, minor prophets as I wanted to move summarize the articles first, and then delete ru.orthodoxwikiSynaxarion readings. But first I wanted to hear an answer. Now I have heard it. ~ [[User:Чръный человекIoannplyler|Чръный человекIoannplyler]] ([[User talk:Чръный человекIoannplyler|talk]]) 1407:57, January 29, 2018 (UTC)::::: Thank you for taking care of this. The licensing is a little tricky, since both the GFDL and the CC-BY-SA licenses do not allow republishing of derivative work under a more restrictive license. My recommendation, if the people at Drevo will allow it, is to move all articles there and include a note about source and licensing. All authors should be given appropriate credit. A workaround is if the authors of an article agree to re-license their work under Drevo's terms. For example, if you are the author of the whole of an article (or the article was taken fully from Drevo) there is no issue at all moving it there. I have no idea how Copyright law is structured or enforced in Russia. As you know16, the GFDL and CC-BY-SA licenses do not prohibit for-profit use—however any for-profit use is seriously compromised by the "viral" nature of these open source licenses (since any derivative work must likewise be open sourced). In any case, please let me know when content has been moved and I will go ahead and remove the RU wiki. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit§ion=new talk]) 21:14, January December 30, 2018 (UTC) == If I was to work on a prayer book comparison, what prayer / attributes should I include? == I'm thinking of working on a more comprehensive and sortable Prayer Book guide. As part of this I'd write to all of the authors/publishers and ask for permission to post a select full prayer or two; if I got no response, if I'm able to get ahold of a copy, or network with others, I'd investigate how much of a book one can include under fair use for review purposes. So I'm wondering if people like this idea, and if so if there are any strong feelings regarding what prayer or prayer(s) to include. My initial thought is the prayer usually attributed to St. Macarius the Great that includes a line, depending on the translation, like ''"Be merciful to me, a sinner devoid of any good deeds."'' or ''"God, cleanse me a sinner, for I have never done anything ultimately good in Your sight."'' Thanks and thanks to the admins for my new shiny account, -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 16:38, February 17, 2020 (UTC): Also, as this forum doesn't seem to be super-active, and I'd want to collaborate with people with prayer book collections who have no interest in getting an account here and then figuring out how to use than less-than-completly-intuitive old-style MediaWiki discussion format, I've created a deeply unofficial mailing list at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/orthodoxwiki - but if y'all want to (or want me to - I'm a SysAdmin) set up an actual official MailMan mailing list @orthodoxwiki.org, or something along these lines already exists, let me know. Note that it'll send you an email with a link you have to follow, so be sure to check your spam/trash if you don't get anything after a minute or two. -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:17, February 17, 2020 (UTC) == For Discussion: Could Early Modern English be added as a separate language to the wiki? == I'm trying to figure out the best way to include text in both [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Modern_English Early Modern English] and Contemporary English versions, and I've come to the conclusion that the cleanest way to do this may be to have Early Modern English as a separate language on the wiki, so all the MediaWiki functionality regarding translations could be utilized. I'm in no way wedded to this idea, and of course I need to convince the admins to do this. So, thoughts? -[[User:Dclark|Dclark]] ([[User talk:Dclark|talk]]) 17:25, March 7, 2020 (UTC):How much content do you think would be in Early Modern English? This is a small wiki: why would we separate it out into even smaller bits? -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 17:40, March 7, 2020 2022 (UTC)